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Attention to details.
Posted by Serendipidy
5/21/2008  4:51:00 PM
Who would like to give an opinion . In the International Foxtrot on the Reverse Turn. In the technique books there are 3/8 of a turn between 1 and 3. How much of that turn is made over the LF. Is most of the turn taken on the LF. Taking into consideration that the second step is a sideways step and the third step is straight back down the LOD. Also look at the ladies step on step one on which she is turning on the Right Heel only. Which makes most of the turn on which foot for both the man and lady.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by nigelgwee
5/21/2008  5:12:00 PM
This is not an opinion, but a direct reading from the ISTD syllabus. The man does a 1/4 turn between steps 1-2, 1/8 between 2-3; the lady does all her 3/8 turn between 1-2.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Serendipidy
5/21/2008  5:48:00 PM
nigelgwee. It gets interesting because what I am looking at on two demonstrations is no further turn on the RF step two and nothing on step three which is straight back
When reading the ladies steps How is it, if that turn is on step one Should two have been mentioned as part of the 3/8 turn when the 3/8 is not part of step two. The same for the man on step three. Why include it. Do you see what I mean. It can be so easily misread. Look at Luca and Hilton for a demonstration of a Reverse Turn.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by nigelgwee
5/21/2008  6:39:00 PM
Serendipidy. As I understand it, turns are measured BETWEEN foot placements, and refer to the feet rather than the rest of the body (which often turns less, especially on backward movements).

Looking at Alex Moore's descriptions, I see where you might have got the description of 3/8 turn between 1-3 (Man) [the ISTD syllabus is just a little more detailed]. You're right about Step 3 moving straight back containing no turn (Moore's description is "...3/8ths of a turn between 1 and 3, and 3/8ths of a turn between 4 and 7"--notice there's no turn between 3 and 4).

This would explain why the lady's 3/8 turn is described as between steps 1 and 2. Her (heel) turn is complete by step 2.

On the man's step two, however, perhaps you might want to look at the feet specifically--the upper body in the demonstration may hardly rotate at all at this point. This isolation between the upper part of the body and the feet is what I find especially beautiful about much of standard/smooth dancing.

Hope this helps. In the meantime, I'll pursue your suggestion and check out Luca and Hilton--ultimate models of standard technique, IMHO.

Cheers.

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